Who?
Former US Senator and NASA Administrator Bill Nelson
LISTEN: Laslo & Nelson
Ask a Pol asks:
What’d you make of all the stuff flying over Jersey? Or reports of incursions over, say, Langley Air Force Base in Virginia or Luke Air Force Base in Arizona?
Key Nelson:
“I don't know anything about that,” (fmr) NASA Administrator Nelson exclusively tells Ask a Pol. "Oh, now you're talking about UAVs. Now you're not talking about UFOs."
Well, the FBI says they don't know what they are, so they're technically UAP…
"Well, we know about UAVs,” Nelson says. “Undisclosed, where they're from, I think that is a concern."
"AARO? I'm not familiar with that...”
"AARO?” Nelson replies to Ask a Pol. "I'm not familiar with that.”
“It's the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office,” Ask a Pol explains. “It's housed within the Pentagon, but they're the ones supposed to be reporting on UFOs.”
"Oh, oh, oh, that,” Nelson replies. “Well, we got involved because I thought we could approach it from a scientific point of view…”
ICYMI — Background on Laslo & Nelson’s conversation
Caught our ear:
“Most of the sightings are explained by electrical phenomena or balloons and things like that,” Nelson asks Ask a Pol.
Below find a rough transcript of Ask a Pol’s exclusive interview with (fmr) NASA Administrator Bill Nelson, slightly edited for clarity.
TRANSCRIPT: (fmr) Administrator Bill Nelson
SCENE: As he’s walking through the US Capitol, Ask a Pol’s Matt Laslo runs into former US Senator and NASA Administrator Bill Nelson.
Matt Laslo: "How do you think that group AARO was doing by the time you left?"
Bill Nelson: "AARO?”
ML: “AARO."
BN: "I'm not familiar with them."
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ML: "It's the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office.”
Nelson stairs blankly at Laslo.
ML: "It's housed within the Pentagon, but they're the ones supposed to be reporting on UFOs and whatnot."
BN: "Oh, oh, oh, that.”
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ML: "Yeah.”
BN: "Well, we got involved because I thought we could approach it from a scientific point of view.”
ML: "Yeah?”
BN: "And, we checked and a lot — we appointed a committee of scientists. We had one astronaut on there. As a matter of fact, it was Sen. Mark Kelly's (D-AZ) brother, Scott.”
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ML: "Oh yeah.”
BN: "So it was a prominent science committee, and most of the sightings are explained by electrical phenomena or balloons and things like that.”
ML: “Yeah?”
BN: "At the end of the day, there were two or three that we didn't know about, but that's the extent of it.”
ML: “Yeah?”
BN: "And I don't know if that's the thinking of this crowd in the Pentagon. I wasn't directly involved with them, but our committee was."
ML: "And so that’s what you think of all the astronauts reporting seeing orbs and then pilots — you think a lot of that is easily explainable?"
BN: "Yes, it is.”
ML: “Yeah?”
BN: "It is, because there have been hundreds of sightings."
ML: "Yeah? So you didn't interact much with that group, AARO?”
BN: “No.”
ML: “NASA and you guys?”
BN: “None.”
ML: “No?”
ML: "What’d you make of all the stuff that was over Jersey? At first, they didn't...”
BN: “I don't know anything about that."
ML: "Well, then there's reports of it over Langley Air Force Base and Luke Air Force Base — No?”
BN: "Oh, now you're talking about UAVs."
ML: “Yeah.”
BN: "Oh, now you're not talking about UFOs."
ML: "Well, FBI says they don't know what they are, so they're technically UAP — but yeah, ‘UAVs.’"
BN: "Well, we know about UAVs, and I think — undisclosed, where they're from, I think that is a concern."
ML: "Yeah? Does your guy’s satellites — at NASA — do you see those? Or is that…"
BN: "You can't see a UAV from our satellites.”
ML: “Yeah? Yeah. That’s...”
BN: "Not from NASA’s satellites.”
ML: “Yeah?”
BN: "We do climate observations."
ML: "But now, well, it seems like there's a gap. Like, Sen. Gillibrand has been arguing for more sensors at lower levels and even higher levels, because balloons and whatnot..."
BN: "I imagine you could get some satellites that would have that kind of resolution, but not NASA."
ML: "Yeah? Maybe CIA?"
BN: "I'll leave that to your speculation."
Laslo laughs.
ML: "Yes, sir.”
BN: "Alright.”
ML: "Good to see ya.”
BN: "Who do you write for?”
ML: "I’ve got my own bureau*…”
*The LCB — a regionally-focused, national wire service.
Ewoud Storm van ‘s Gravesande contributed to this report from Holland.
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